Is there serious contamination in the fluoride? Where's the evidence?

[WatDot]

Contamination is not my main concern with fluoridation of Waterloo's water, but here's academic research into the levels of fluoride and the danger it presents:

http://www.fluoride-journal.com/02-35-1/351-01.pdf

[mpd618]

Contamination is not my main concern with fluoridation of Waterloo's water, but here's academic research into the levels of fluoride and the danger it presents:

The consequences of fluoride itself are a separate issue, and should be left to other threads. I want to know what the evidence is regarding contamination by any other substances in the course of fluoridation here.

[Robert]

Seconded. Can anyone post what exactly the concentrations are of the metals that are mixed in with the flouride mixture that goes into Waterloo water?

BTW - The article in yesterday's Chronicle about Robert Fleming trying to swear legal charges against the dentists who came to the first debate has left me shaking my head. I think it looks really bad on our community that someone is trying to take legal action against people who answered Waterloo's request to come have a debate on this topic. I understand the technicality of what Fleming is arguing, but it's not as if the dentists are some shadowy organization that is spending millions in advertising to try to swing the referendum. It just makes the anti-flouride side look like its trying to shutdown any dissenting voices. And that's not good for either side.

[IEFBR14]

Is there serious contamination in the fluoride? Where's the evidence?

Consider the damage it's done to the mental faculties of the anti-fluoride zealots. I rest my case

[panamaniac]

The consequences of fluoride itself are a separate issue, and should be left to other threads. I want to know what the evidence is regarding contamination by any other substances in the course of fluoridation here.

This, from Region of Waterloo website, suggests no contamination of relevance, with respect to arsenic and lead:

Is the fluoride additive being used (hydrofluosilicic acid) safe? What about the lead and arsenic impurities?

Hydrofluosilicic acid is one of three fluoride-containing water treatment additives. It is certified as safe by the National Sanitation Foundation, an internationally recognized body that certifies food, water and consumer goods including reviewing the health effects of drinking water treatment chemicals. Fluoride compounds used in water treatment are by-products of mineral extraction processes, particularly
phosphate fertilizer production.

Fluoride compounds come from rock. Arsenic is an impurity in hydrofluosilicic acid that is found at very low levels in 43 per cent of product samples. Lead is an impurity found at trace levels in five per cent of product samples. The amount of arsenic and lead in the fluoride additive is so small that it is not detectable in City of Waterloo water, after the addition of fluoride. Trace amounts of arsenic and lead, well below allowable levels, occur naturally in drinking water and are detected occasionally across Waterloo Region from time to time in non-fluoridated areas.

[Van Caulart]

This seems to be the crux of the issue for many. Is there evidence one way or the other as to the presence of serious quantities of industrial contaminants in whatever is currently being used to fluoridate water?

Look here at an industry supplied assay, lead, arsenic are listed. A complete assay lists all contaminants.

http://www.waterloowatch.com/Index_f...20-%202007.pdf

[mpd618]

This, from Region of Waterloo website, suggests no contamination of relevance, with respect to arsenic and lead:

Here's another piece from the Region with more detail.

Look here at an industry supplied assay, lead, arsenic are listed. A complete assay lists all contaminants.

http://www.waterloowatch.com/Index_f...20-%202007.pdf

Thanks! The remaining piece of information is how much hydrofluosilicic acid is actually used per unit of water, and that should give some additional confidence as to the levels of arsenic and lead in the water supply (beyond the above Regional link).

[panamaniac]

Look here at an industry supplied assay, lead, arsenic are listed. A complete assay lists all contaminants.

http://www.waterloowatch.com/Index_f...20-%202007.pdf

So, no problem, I take it?

[WaterlooWatch.com]

Why is someone trying to take legal action; doesn't it just stifle debate?

Answer: No.

The Ontario Dental Association and two dentists made it perfectly clear they would not be returning for two remaining fluoridation debates; despite previously having agreed to participate in all three debates.

Later on, it was discovered the ODA and these two dentist had participated in the first debate, but never duly registered as legal campaigners to the fluoridation question before debating or incurring expenses to do so. It was also becoming clear that the ODA and the dentists were now inviting others to campaign, who were also not legally registered to campaign; for example, the Waterloo Wellington Dental Society.

A decision was made to raise this escalating matter with the Regional Clerk's Office, as well as the Ontario Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing, in order to preserve the integrity of this election moving forward. The Region responded that enforcement of the Ontario Municipal Elections Act is not a Regional responsibility, nor is it a responsibility of the area municipalities, and that the onus is on an elector to raise such concern. The Ministry indicated the Minister would typically only deal with such a concern after the election had taken place, and that the onus was on an elector to bring forward charges.

In the interest of having just one fluoridation election, without having to do it all over again, this elector stepped up to correct the situation early enough to hopefully get things back on track for our community. I think all of us would prefer just one fluoridation election round. It would be quite costly for local taxpayers to hold a repeat election.

Robert J. Fleming
www.WaterlooWatch.com

[WaterlooWatch.com]

Please take 30 minutes and watch this fluoridation video.
It may answer some of your questions and concerns.
www.waterloowatch.com/fan%20video.html
Cheers,
Robert J. Fleming
www.WaterlooWatch.com

[panamaniac]

Why is someone trying to take legal action; doesn't it just stifle debate?

Answer: No.

The Ontario Dental Association and two dentists made it perfectly clear they would not be returning for two remaining fluoridation debates; despite previously having agreed to participate in all three debates.

Later on, it was discovered the ODA and these two dentist had participated in the first debate, but never duly registered as legal campaigners to the fluoridation question before debating or incurring expenses to do so. It was also becoming clear that the ODA and the dentists were now inviting others to campaign, who were also not legally registered to campaign; for example, the Waterloo Wellington Dental Society.

A decision was made to raise this escalating matter with the Regional Clerk's Office, as well as the Ontario Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing, in order to preserve the integrity of this election moving forward. The Region responded that enforcement of the Ontario Municipal Elections Act is not a Regional responsibility, nor is it a responsibility of the area municipalities, and that the onus is on an elector to raise such concern. The Ministry indicated the Minister would typically only deal with such a concern after the election had taken place, and that the onus was on an elector to bring forward charges.

In the interest of having just one fluoridation election, without having to do it all over again, this elector stepped up to correct the situation early enough to hopefully get things back on track for our community. I think all of us would prefer just one fluoridation election round. It would be quite costly for local taxpayers to hold a repeat election.

Robert J. Fleming
www.WaterlooWatch.com

Have a law degree, but completely do not understand your post. Please clarify.