NO It's not worth the risk!!! Vote NO!

[WatDot]

"About 83 per cent of Waterloo Region residents brush their teeth at least twice a day. Women are more likely to brush their teeth than men (91.9 per cent vs. 74.7 per cent)"

Region of Waterloo, Public Health

Unless they are brushing their teeth with sh$!, then the amount of topical fluoride majority of residents are receiving should be sufficient to prevent tooth decay. The industrial waste they put in the City of Waterloo's water is wasted money, among many other things.

[Peter]

"Just because those elemets are present in the water system does not necessarily mean that they are the result of the flouride additive."

The HFSA manifests that come into Waterloo County for Fluoridation clearly lists lead, mercury, arsenic and radioactive materials in the compound. We are buying this toxic waste from Florida and pouring it into our water. That's a fact - the evidence is there to prove it.

[Peter]

I assume you are a resident of Waterloo where the water is currently being flouridated. Have you tested the water in Kitchener (currently not flouridated) to see if the same heavy metal levels exist? Just because those elemets are present in the water system does not necessarily mean that they are the result of the flouride additive. Ground water often has traces of these and many other metals. Correlation does not establish causation.

The manifests from the tanks of Hydrofluorosilicic acid that come into the Region list mercury, lead, arsenic and radioactive materials. It does not arrive randomly from groundwater. While this issue is loaded with charming opinion like the quote above, the facts will tell the people the truth.

[mpd618]

The manifests from the tanks of Hydrofluorosilicic acid that come into the Region list mercury, lead, arsenic and radioactive materials. It does not arrive randomly from groundwater. While this issue is loaded with charming opinion like the quote above, the facts will tell the people the truth.

OK. If you're here to provide facts instead of just claiming something to be true, please provide evidence for your claim about the tanks of additive.

[isUsername]

The manifests from the tanks of Hydrofluorosilicic acid that come into the Region list mercury, lead, arsenic and radioactive materials. It does not arrive randomly from groundwater.

[citation needed]

[WatDot]

From the Waterloo Chronicle:

"Re: “Debate over?”, Sept. 15 Waterloo Chronicle The time for debate is over.

Community water fluoridation has, and continues to be, one of the best ways of protecting the Waterloo region’s oral health.

I’ve seen the effects of water fluoridation in the mouths of my patients. Simply put, those from Waterloo have lower incidences of dental decay than those in Kitchener. The difference? Waterloo fluoridates its water. Kitchener doesn’t.

But don’t take it from just my experience. Look at the science.

I stand behind the wealth of peer-reviewed academic research that supports the safety and efficacy of community water fluoridation. It has strong support from over 90 national and international professional health organizations.

Our position is firm. Community water fluoridation, in the right amount, is both safe and effective. It’s not a debate — it is a fact.

Dr. Harry Hoediono President-elect, Ontario Dental Association"

Only problem is there is a debate. Does this process continue to offer taxpayers the most bang for their buck? In 2010 I do not think it is a wise use of local tax dollars and/or effective for preventive dental care in Waterloo Region. Again, increased funding to Public Dental Clinics will be far more effective targeting those from the lower income groups who may not have dental plans and/or access to dental care products. Providing better public dental care to this group will allow for more important procedures. Procedures which if ignored effect the patients diet and overall health, and in return may put strain on the Health Care system.

Difference in cavities between Waterloo and Kitchener residents... give me a break. Just as wild as the conspiracy theories. There is no research that supports this, nor is it possible as the water infrastructure isn't defined as the city boundaries are (they are defined by pumping stations). This is simply an old ideology that needs to be re-evaluated for our LOCAL community!

[starchild]

I went to the Fluoride open house and I listened to a certified technician who installs municipal fluoridated systems for municipalities. He showed his manual that states if fluoride levels go .2% lower than the dose mentioned in the guideline book, it would be ineffective. The silly thing is the Government has already reduced those recommended levels by 2.5 times that amount. Seriously, why are we bothering to use it at all when the technical guideline says these levels are useless? I'm also wondering about the potential risk of contamination to groundwater when the city flushes our water mains etc. Fluoride can increase the toxicity of other chemicals so what happens when we flush our pipes and it ends up in tributaries or the Grand, particularly during the time of year fertilizers are being applied on farms? Why have that risk when toothpaste and floss work so much better?

[WatDot]

Couldn't agree more Starchild. The cost; financially, environmentally and potentially health wise, makes this practice pointless.

[WatDot]

Academic research, revealing the danger of fluoridation in water.

http://www.fluoride-journal.com/02-35-1/351-01.pdf

China no longer fluoridates its water.
"Water fluoridation in China began in 1964 in Guangzhou and was discontinued in 1983 after a 6.5-fold increase in dental fluorosis was observed with only a marginal decrease in dental caries."

[WatDot]

Despite dental pressure, 99% of western continental Europe has rejected, banned, or stopped fluoridation due to environmental, health, legal, or ethical concerns.

For a list of countries (including China & Japan):
http://fluoridation.com/c-country.htm

[Peter]

[citation needed]

http://www.waterloowatch.com/hydrofl...ic%20acid.html Some people are in serious denial, even if the proof is handed to them... Here's your citation.

[IEFBR14]

Despite dental pressure

Why would dentists continue to support fluoridation if it's ineffective or, worse, if it's dangerous to public health? What's in it for them?

Why would the medical profession, in general, support fluoridation if they had evidence that it's dangerous to public health? What's in it for them?

COMMUNITY WATER FLUORIDATION IN AMERICA: THE UNPRINCIPLED OPPOSITION

[taylortbb]

http://www.waterloowatch.com/hydrofl...ic%20acid.html Some people are in serious denial, even if the proof is handed to them... Here's your citation.

We're not in denial, that's not proof. The presence of radiation detectors doesn't mean the product is radioactive, in fact it's the point of them to make sure there is no radiation release. That also does not even slightly address the issue of concentration. The levels that are in drinking water are so tiny that they are within established guidelines. Just because something is harmful in large doses does not mean it's bad for you. There are many vitamins and minerals your body needs that would be toxic at what seem like small doses.

Do you have peer-reviewed scientific sources? WaterlooWatch is an advocacy site.

[smably]

http://www.waterloowatch.com/hydrofl...ic%20acid.html Some people are in serious denial, even if the proof is handed to them... Here's your citation.

A link to an anti-fluoride web site? Seriously, that's your citation?

If anything, I think the anti-fluoride people have actually done fluoride a favour by discrediting their own opposition.

[WatDot]

Why would dentists continue to support fluoridation if it's ineffective or, worse, if it's dangerous to public health? What's in it for them?

Why would the medical profession, in general, support fluoridation if they had evidence that it's dangerous to public health? What's in it for them?

COMMUNITY WATER FLUORIDATION IN AMERICA: THE UNPRINCIPLED OPPOSITION

The Ontario Dental Association continues to support fluoridation, not all individual dentists. I can provide you with some Ontario dentist contacts that are against the fluoridation of water (msg me if you would like them). Why the Association continues to support it is beyond me while in the same breath they tell the public to not "swallow" topical fluoride. Change in ways is hard for many people, and you are showing exactly that. Really, what is wrong with using topical fluoride in toothpaste and when you go to visit the dentist. Why must we force everyone to ingest fluoride in our water source? Put an end to the debate and take it out of the water. There's plenty of other ways for us to get proper fluoride in a less controversial way.

[smably]

Here is the evidence I would like to see:
If the hydrofluorosilicic acid adds significant amounts of mercury, lead, arsenic, and radioactive materials to our drinking water, what are the documented medical effects of this contamination? I assume that there would be higher levels of cancer and heavy metal poisoning in municipalities that add hydrofluorosilicic acid to their water. Can someone point me to some credible peer-reviewed research regarding the health effects of this additive? Note that I'm not interested in the effects of fluoride itself, only the effects of the contaminants in hydrofluorosilicic acid. This is an honest request. (Links to web sites of anti-fluoride groups will be ignored.)

[IEFBR14]

There's lots of information about fluoridation in Wikipedia that refutes many of the contentions of the anti-fluoridation zealots. One example re effectiveness/danger is their argument that Europe generally no longer fluoridates drinking water [my bolding]:

Most countries in Europe have experienced substantial declines in cavities without the use of water fluoridation.[4] For example, in Finland and Germany, tooth decay rates remained stable or continued to decline after water fluoridation stopped. Fluoridation may be useful in the U.S. because unlike most European countries, the U.S. [and Canada!] does not have school-based dental care, many children do not visit a dentist regularly, and for many U.S. children water fluoridation is the prime source of exposure to fluoride.[16] The effectiveness of water fluoridation can vary according to circumstances such as whether preventive dental care is free.[54]

However...

Communities have discontinued water fluoridation in some countries, including Finland, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland.[19] This change was often motivated by political opposition to water fluoridation, but sometimes the need for water fluoridation was met by alternative strategies. The use of fluoride in its various forms is the foundation of tooth decay prevention throughout Europe; for example, France, Germany, and many other European countries use fluoridated salt.[23]

In other words the anti-fluoridation zealots often twist the truth. For example they contend that Germany's discontinuance of water fluoridation proves that it's ineffective and/or dangerous. They ignore that Germany has school-based dental care and that Germany now fluoridates table salt instead.

Their half-truths are used to scare the public rather than to shed light on the issue

[Urbanomicon]

http://www.waterloowatch.com/hydrofl...ic%20acid.html Some people are in serious denial, even if the proof is handed to them... Here's your citation.

Some information on radioactivity: virtually every substance, from man-made objects you use everyday, to the earth beneath our feet, even humans, have some degree of radioisotopes present, and thus are somewhat radioactive. The difference in lethality to humans between something like Plutonium and something like ordinary rock is the amount of radioisotopes present, their half-life, and the method of their decay. I'm not taking sides, but views like: "They used to the word radioactive! It's going to kill us!" need to be put into perspective.

[KLM]

one ,actually two things we also have to bear in mind regarding dental health:
amount of sugar and salt in our food.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

Just a funny picture that came to mind when I started reading this thread.