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  1. Changes in store for Cambridge

    Plenty of apartments and townhouses predicted for Cambridge — a city built on single-family homes
    April 06, 2010 | By Kevin Swayze, Record staff

    CAMBRIDGE — Expect many more apartments and townhouses and fewer single-family homes on smaller lots in the city’s future, city planners say.

    Both in new subdivisions along Cambridge’s edges and in six “reurbanization areas,” it’s the way to handle a projected population growth from 123,000 today to 173,000 by 2031 without expanding the city’s boundaries.

    “It’s a dramatic shift. More apartments and townhouses,” said Melissa Aldunate, senior policy planner at the city.

    Ontario’s Places To Grow legislation demands cities ensure 40 per cent of new housing as “infill” — built in existing urban areas — to create “compact, complete communities,” instead of car-oriented suburban subdivisions.

    Denser urban areas promote healthy lifestyles, including more walking for errands and to and from work instead of driving. Higher population areas also make taxpayer subsidized transit more efficient and attractive to residents and employers.

    The city’s first ever growth management study was accepted by city council Monday, as the cornerstone for the city’s updated official plan. The plan is intended to co-ordinate and regulate where and how proprieties and buildings may be used, along with what shape they might take. It also includes environmental and heritage rules to protect areas deemed important by politicians.

    In a separate decision Monday, council approved in principle expanding an incentive program to encourage redevelopment of contaminated industrial areas.

    Two years ago, council approved a “tax increment grant” program for the Hespeler, Preston and Galt core areas. It gives money to a developer to clean up a site, based on how much future tax revenue the property would generate after redevelopment. It spurred several projects.

    Now, in partnership with Waterloo Region, council wants to expand the incentive city wide.

    City staff expect to have a draft of the new official plan ready for public meetings by January 2011, as the new city council begins its four-year term.

    Coun. Ben Tucci wondered if the city could remove one of the designated growth areas — like east Galt at Main and Dundas streets — and still meet provincial growth targets for the city as a whole.

    City planner Aldunate advised against that, because the growth plan sets out “maximum potential” for all the areas, while at the same time accepting the reality they won’t all meet the goal. Removing one area makes it harder to meet the overall city target.

    Tucci also asked how downtown Galt can be the city’s prime urban growth area, when there’s already height restrictions in place to protect the area’s historic streetscapes and riverside character.

    The province refused to delete the downtown Galt core from the list of core growth areas. The city must set minimum density targets “and ensure development is compatible” with existing buildings, Aldunate said.

    The city is expected to have 14,249 more jobs by 2029, but it will be a challenge to squeeze them all into protected “employment lands,” he said.

    Cambridge has land set aside for new major industry north of Toyota, but manufacturing usually has fewer “jobs per hectare” than office-commercial developments. Like the insurance company towers dotting the Waterloo skyline.

    “A whole pile of things in this worries me,” said Coun. Rick Cowsill.

    Cambridge’s job growth figures seem based on only new manufacturing, not high-tech, knowledge industries economists say are Canada’s future, he said. “I thought we were moving away from that.”

    The growth study predicts the city has enough land to handle all the expected population and job growth over the next two decades, but staff say it’s not a blueprint to shape exactly where everything will go. Instead, it looks at development targets and that can adapt as the housing and business market transforms.

    Apartments have long been a hard sell in Cambridge, said planning commissioner Janet Babcock.

    There are many areas already designated for multi-unit residential development that have sat idle for years. Or developers convinced council to allow lower-density housing on the sites.

    Usually, residents of existing neighbourhoods rail against townhouses or apartments on vacant land near their single-family homes. The fear of “turning into Toronto” is a common theme at public meetings.

    The local building market, however, is changing, she said.

    Developers are proposing more townhouse projects because more people are asking for them, Babcock said. There’s also growing interest in condominium buildings, because they’re taxed at a lower rate than rental apartments and they’re popular with aging homeowners wanting to be free of household maintenance chores.

    “From my perspective, developers will not proceed with anything they cannot sell,” she said.
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by leaffan View Post
    [SIZE="4"In a separate decision Monday, council approved in principle expanding an incentive program to encourage redevelopment of contaminated industrial areas.
    Good for them!! That's a smart move.

    The cities in the Region should introduce some sort of incentive program to encourage development in the core. Kitchener has the development fund, but an incentive program would still be smart.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by leaffan View Post
    The city’s first ever growth management study was accepted by city council Monday, as the cornerstone for the city’s updated official plan.
    So, the first ever growth management study was just conducted for Cambridge. Somehow I'm not surprised. Is anyone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leaffan View Post
    The city is expected to have 14,249 more jobs by 2029, but it will be a challenge to squeeze them all into protected “employment lands,” he said.

    Cambridge has land set aside for new major industry north of Toyota, but manufacturing usually has fewer “jobs per hectare” than office-commercial developments. Like the insurance company towers dotting the Waterloo skyline.

    “A whole pile of things in this worries me,” said Coun. Rick Cowsill.

    Cambridge’s job growth figures seem based on only new manufacturing, not high-tech, knowledge industries economists say are Canada’s future, he said. “I thought we were moving away from that.”
    Has Cambridge ever done an economic development study? Or have we just assumed the highway 401 manufacturing gravy train would keep running forever? Judged on our decades-long reluctance to conduct a growth management strategy for the city, I think this question answers itself. We should definitely look into ways in which we can attract more "Waterloo-type" jobs at this end of the region.

    Quote Originally Posted by leaffan View Post
    Usually, residents of existing neighbourhoods rail against townhouses or apartments on vacant land near their single-family homes. The fear of “turning into Toronto” is a common theme at public meetings.
    Which is something I cannot stand about this city. It's stuck in perpetual small town mode, no matter how big we get.
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    From Kitchener, Ontario | Member Since Feb 2010 | 951 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban_Enthusiast86 View Post
    Which is something I cannot stand about this city. It's stuck in perpetual small town mode, no matter how big we get.
    Maybe that's why Cambridge (re: Doug Craig) is so against a possible merger of the cities/townships in Waterloo Region.

    Waterloo Region needs to start growing upwards instead of outwards.
    "Only the insane have the strength enough to prosper. Only those that prosper may truly judge what is sane."
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    That "fear of turning into Toronto" is one that is not just in Cambridge but Region wide. It's ridiculous. We're not going to be Toronto. A few 20 storey buildings would not make us Toronto. People need to realize that this isn't the K-W-C of 10 or 20 years ago, things have changed, and the city needs to follow suit. The problem is, with there being so much (seemingly) opposition to forward movement and progress and growing up, our councils will have a hard time supporting it.
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    From Bauer Lofts, Waterloo | Member Since Dec 2009 | 662 Posts
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    That's Cambridge for you. It's attitudes like that which have been hindering the city. I can't believe they just had some of these study's. The manufacturing is dying and if Cambridge is going to rely on that then they are going die with it. They don't need anymore of these huge manufacturing buildings especially with half of them empty right now.
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    But do you really think its JUST Cambridge that has that kind of attitude? I think it's all of the cities in the Region. I definitely notice it.
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    I would never compare K-W-C to Toronto. Perhaps Oakville-Burlington-Milton is a better comparison.
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  10. From Waterloo, ON | Member Since Jan 2010 | 1,643 Posts
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    Would anyone seriously object to having a little bit of the Annex in any of our cities? Really? Or are they picturing Manhattan?
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Jan 2010 | 495 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
    But do you really think its JUST Cambridge that has that kind of attitude? I think it's all of the cities in the Region. I definitely notice it.
    That attitude also seems to cross age and generational barriers. I recently spoke to a 22 year old who said he would seriously consider moving to a different small city if KW got any bigger. That surprised me when you usually hear things like "oh KW is so boring, I'm moving to Toronto".
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    Ya it's weird. I too at first thought it was an age thing. Myself and some friends had left because we wanted something bigger. More recently I hear people my age (mid-20's) talking about how the Region shouldn't grow any bigger, and that it's big enough.

    I can't even comprehend the Toronto comparisons. We are NO WHERE near Toronto. I for one would gladly take parts of Toronto and have them implemented here.

    At the end of the day the Region as a whole has a small town mentality. Its the reason we don't have any significant size, and that we are so car dependent.
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    From Kitchener-Waterloo | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,811 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbandreamer View Post
    I would never compare K-W-C to Toronto. Perhaps Oakville-Burlington-Milton is a better comparison.
    I would compare us to Toronto, just not in an absolute sense (ie. an 80-storey tower there does not mean we could pull off the same project here).

    In terms of having a real growing urban zone, which is punching above it's historical weight in Canada/The World, yes absolutely we're doing the same kind of things, just on a much smaller scale.

    In other words, our city is "keeping up" and in fact "surpassing" other areas: that's how we compare with Toronto. Toronto internationally, Waterloo Region nationally.

    If you'd like an example of a city which isn't, it would probably be Hamilton. They used to have the size which is more comparable with Toronto, but in terms of vision/quality they've now lost it. We like to complain a lot here about exposed concrete on buildings (and I can agree with that), but at least our city hall isn't now covered in it like they've done.

    Oakville-Burlington-Milton are all suburbs, whereas KWC is simply more suburban - there's a big difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpd618 View Post
    Would anyone seriously object to having a little bit of the Annex in any of our cities? Really? Or are they picturing Manhattan?
    I wouldn't mind having more of our land developed like the Annex, but in places like Northdale, Belmont Village, etc. I'd prefer the core of our cities to be more like Manhattan (obviously not an exact comparison, but in our case that would mean a string of 20-storey buildings on the King Street corridor).
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    From Kitchener-Waterloo | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,811 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
    At the end of the day the Region as a whole has a small town mentality. Its the reason we don't have any significant size, and that we are so car dependent.
    There are people here who hold a small town mentality. Way too much for my liking to be honest, which is why I initially decided to start posting about developments/events around the city - to help generate interest in our core areas.

    That said, those people are not in charge of Kitchener City Hall, if so EDIF would have never gotten off the ground.

    As well, don't discount the increasing number of people who are migrating to the city from all different parts of the country/world. I've spoken to people who've moved here from Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto, Philly, Dubai, etc. These people from larger urban centres are more transit/core-friendly and are helping to push the city forward.

    So yes we do have "small town" people in the area, but we also have "big city promoters" too. At the end of the day, the city promoters are winning out as Downtown Kitchener, Uptown Waterloo, and even Galt (albeit more slowly) all continue to grow.
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    Ya we are similar in the rate of our growth, but as far as what the city is and what the residents are like, I don't think we're at all the same. The people that live in Toronto live in a BIG city, and they know it and love it, they want to continue to grow. The people here do not. They want to be small, they don't like the growth and the feeling of becoming bigger.

    You're right the EDIF wouldn't have gotten off the ground without some forward thinking politicians, but the residents were not happy about it. I still think that the small town mindset people have enough control to keep us from REALLY growing up any time in the near future. Look at the loss of height at Centre Block. It tops out at 16 floors now, that's lame. I think lots of us would agree it should be 20.

    I love your optimism, and I wish I did, but I can't agree with you though that the city promoters are winning. There are still many times more people that want KWC to remain small towns. We do have more people who want to see us grow, and that is growing. We do continue to grow as a region which is great, we are seeing development which I love, but there are constant hurdles of people thinking we are "becoming the next toronto" which is hurting our ability to grow. It's hurting the kind of developments we get, and it's a shame.

    At the end of the day, I hope long term you're right and Im wrong
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    From Kitchener-Waterloo | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,811 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
    The people that live in Toronto live in a BIG city, and they know it and love it, they want to continue to grow. The people here do not. They want to be small, they don't like the growth and the feeling of becoming bigger.
    True, but Toronto hasn't always been a big city. Imagine holding world conferences there 150 years ago, people in London (England) or Paris (France) would have thought you were nuts. It's due to their high long-term growth rate they've managed to "catch-up" to the big international players. I know it's hard to imagine today, but not too long ago (in human history) Toronto was a little hick-town.

    The reason people here don't feel like they're living in a BIG city is because on the world stage we aren't. However speak to them in terms of most places in Canada and all of a sudden we are a BIG CANADIAN city. I've spoken with people from the East Coast who are amazed at the size of our region.

    Now will Waterloo Region be a centre of 5-6 million in the 2100's? No, I don't believe so. However, I do believe our higher long-term growth could bring us into the 2-million range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
    You're right the EDIF wouldn't have gotten off the ground without some forward thinking politicians, but the residents were not happy about it. I still think that the small town mindset people have enough control to keep us from REALLY growing up any time in the near future. Look at the loss of height at Centre Block. It tops out at 16 floors now, that's lame. I think lots of us would agree it should be 20.
    Which residents? Ok yes there are some (actually lots), but at the end of the day Mayor Zehr (and council) was re-elected.

    Centre Block: I couldn't agree with you more the towers should be 20+ floors, and it is a shame the one tower was downgraded from 18 to 16. That said, there were a group of people who were able to upgrade the other tower from 12 to 14. Those are the types of residents pushing for the bigger city feel (and from my perspective they're growing). Famous ones could include Mr. Balsillie or Mr. Lazaridis who could have put their research institutes anywhere on the planet, but have chosen to help build this city. Not only are their sites adding to the growth of Uptown, their donations (and donations from their employees) are helping projects across the region like The Museum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
    I love your optimism, and I wish I did, but I can't agree with you though that the city promoters are winning. There are still many times more people that want KWC to remain small towns. We do have more people who want to see us grow, and that is growing. We do continue to grow as a region which is great, we are seeing development which I love, but there are constant hurdles of people thinking we are "becoming the next Toronto" which is hurting our ability to grow. It's hurting the kind of developments we get, and it's a shame.
    Absolutely I agree the "small-town" folk are slowing us down, however I can't agree they're winning. If that was the case LRT wouldn't have passed, GRT wouldn't have been expanding, Kitchener Council would have been thrown out after EDIF was announced, the Waterloo Town Square redevelopment would be falling flat, etc.. etc..

    Sure, each one of our developments is going slower than I would like, but (and this is really important) development is still largely happening. Uptown Waterloo has significantly increased their number of towers just since I was born in the 80's: Sunlife, Bauer, Waterpark 1 & 2. Downtown Kitchener has added a lot of towers too: City Hall, Regional HQ, TD Canada Trust Centre, Queen's Place, The Regency, Iron Horse Towers, etc. Remember this was during what could be argued as our worst quarter-century of urban development. The next quarter-century will hopefully be much better.
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWaterloo View Post
    True, but Toronto hasn't always been a big city. Imagine holding world conferences there 150 years ago, people in London (England) or Paris (France) would have thought you were nuts. It's due to their high long-term growth rate they've managed to "catch-up" to the big international players. I know it's hard to imagine today, but not too long ago (in human history) Toronto was a little hick-town.

    The reason people here don't feel like they're living in a BIG city is because on the world stage we aren't. However speak to them in terms of most places in Canada and all of a sudden we are a BIG CANADIAN city. I've spoken with people from the East Coast who are amazed at the size of our region.

    Now will Waterloo Region be a centre of 5-6 million in the 2100's? No, I don't believe so. However, I do believe our higher long-term growth could bring us into the 2-million range.
    I dont think its as much that its that we arent seen as a big city on the world stage. I think it's more because of what we have. Toronto while yes it's grown up from very little, it did a lot of its growing before the car, before the suburb, so in its core density was common because that's what there needed to be. Kitchener on the other hand is doing the majority of its growth after the suburban boom, after the automobile has become king. Had there been density in the cores from before this, it would be easy to have happen. History has a big impact of what will happen. Like I said, I hope in the future, you're right. It'll take the majority of our citizens getting over our past.




    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWaterloo View Post
    Centre Block: I couldn't agree with you more the towers should be 20+ floors, and it is a shame the one tower was downgraded from 18 to 16. That said, there were a group of people who were able to upgrade the other tower from 12 to 14. Those are the types of residents pushing for the bigger city feel (and from my perspective they're growing).
    I think it had more to do with letting Andrin have the same number of units (384 I think?) they had originally planned for than conceding to the pro-height people. They lost two on the tall one so they gave them two on the short one. Just a trade off.



    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWaterloo View Post
    Absolutely I agree the "small-town" folk are slowing us down, however I can't agree they're winning. If that was the case LRT wouldn't have passed, GRT wouldn't have been expanding, Kitchener Council would have been thrown out after EDIF was announced, the Waterloo Town Square redevelopment would be falling flat, etc.. etc..
    Good point. Maybe just that they seem to have more of a voice.

    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWaterloo View Post
    Sure, each one of our developments is going slower than I would like, but (and this is really important) development is still largely happening. Uptown Waterloo has significantly increased their number of towers just since I was born in the 80's: Sunlife, Bauer, Waterpark 1 & 2. Downtown Kitchener has added a lot of towers too: City Hall, Regional HQ, TD Canada Trust Centre, Queen's Place, The Regency, Iron Horse Towers, etc. Remember this was during what could be argued as our worst quarter-century of urban development. The next quarter-century will hopefully be much better.
    I couldnt agree more with you, its changed a lot, so the future seems like it should be promising, but there's still so much more they could do.

    The construction methods of most of these buildings and design of some of them should be updated. That they aren't doesn't bode well for us.
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    From Kitchener | Member Since Dec 2009 | 4,525 Posts
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    P.S. Its this kind of debate that I envisioned when WW first started up. And I love it!
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    That attitude also seems to cross age and generational barriers. I recently spoke to a 22 year old who said he would seriously consider moving to a different small city if KW got any bigger. That surprised me when you usually hear things like "oh KW is so boring, I'm moving to Toronto".
    The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Maybe people in both camps just aren't realizing that it's actually more or less the perfect size, if you want to look at the glass as half full.

    Quote Originally Posted by urbandreamer View Post
    I would never compare K-W-C to Toronto. Perhaps Oakville-Burlington-Milton is a better comparison.
    Really? If I were to pick a part of the GTA, I'd pick Mississauga, due to the fact that it's large in scale and quite well-developed with a lot of retail and a diverse economic and corporate base. In Halton (especially the northern part), there's more of a need to leave it regularly.

    Also, the communities of Halton Region are very fragmented from each other (besides Burlington and Oakville). K-W-C are far more interconnected with each other by comparison.
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    I'm glad to see that there are changes in place for Cambridge. For so long things have remained a little stale and it's core areas are long overdue for some positive development. Cambridge core areas with Uptown Waterloo and Downtown Kitchener have so much potential. First thing I would like to see on the chopping block and demolished ASAP is the Grand River Flea Market.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
    I dont think its as much that its that we arent seen as a big city on the world stage. I think it's more because of what we have. Toronto while yes it's grown up from very little, it did a lot of its growing before the car, before the suburb, so in its core density was common because that's what there needed to be. Kitchener on the other hand is doing the majority of its growth after the suburban boom, after the automobile has become king. Had there been density in the cores from before this, it would be easy to have happen. History has a big impact of what will happen. Like I said, I hope in the future, you're right. It'll take the majority of our citizens getting over our past.
    Toronto isn't full of post-automobile sprawl?? Whoa, can't believe I just read that. Toronto (read: the GTA) has a disgusting amount of cookie cutter sprawl all over the place. And the scale is magnified by 10 when comparing to Waterloo Region. But what it does have, that we don't, is a single core that CLEARLY dominates all others in the region. Not so much the case here, with the largest being Kitchener, Waterloo following shortly after, then Galt, Preston, and what's that other one?? oh yeah, Hespeler. What the second largest traditional downtown in the GTA? Oshawa? Oakville? Brampton? The GTA has no runner-ups, which makes the difference.

    To see what Kitchener would look like with it's current CMA population, while having no other traditional downtowns to compete with, look at London Ontario. Then you'd be comparing apples to apples. Now, of course, if you've ever been to London, you'd know they have their fair share of sprawl as well.
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