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[Waterlooian4Life]

Creekside Corporate Campus
Highway 8 & Maple Grove Road, Cambridge, Ontario
Developer: Intermarket Group (http://www.intermarketinc.com/index.php)
Project Website (http://www.intermarketinc.com/feature/creeksidecampus.php)


http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6489/creeksidecorporatecampu.jpg


http://www.intermarketinc.com/images/ccc2.jpg

This is an interesting proposal created by the company that created Sportsworld Crossing. Take a look and form your own opinions. It is located in Kitchener behind Police HQ and Challenger motor Freight.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

Interesting. It's a pretty big project for sure. But like I keep saying right now, it's not something I expect to see until a lot of existing and new inventory is filled. Especially in Cambridge where the vacancy rate is highest. In any case, I can't imagine a development in that location ever being pedestrian friendly.

[Duke-of-Waterloo]

The property is in a very good location in Cambridge. Close to Highway 8 and the 401, and also close to Toyota. According to the new Regional Official Plan, north Cambridge is expected to house a significant amount of prime industrial and employment lands on large lots. I think this is exactly what the Region wants for North Cambridge in the new ROP when they talk about large lot industrial development.

[RangersFan]

A picture of "Creekside Corporate Campus" found in this Tech Triangle document (http://www.techtriangle.com/include/get.php?nodeid=503)
http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac273/leaffan431/small%20developments/CreeksideCorporateCampus.jpg

[DHLawrence]

It looks like a good plan. Would look nicer on Hespeler Road, but it's a start!

[Urbanomicon]

It looks like a good plan. Would look nicer on Hespeler Road, but it's a start!


In order to fit in on Hespeler it would need about three times more parking in between the buildings and the road. :)

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

Don't like what it is for the location. We have enough suburban office parks as is...we need more downtown. And if we're going to have more of these, I'd at least like to see them in the central transit corridor, accessible by LRT.

In addition, it's a huge project. This is more on the scale that you see in Mississauga/GTA, like Meadowvale or the Airport Corporate Centre. I doubt you'll see this get built as the proposal outlines for a long time.

[jay]

I agree we need these offices downtown/uptown. At least this is a step in the right direction for Cambridge, as they move away from the old "industrial" lands.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

I agree we need these offices downtown/uptown. At least this is a step in the right direction for Cambridge, as they move away from the old "industrial" lands.

I'll second that.

Although we're not going to lose ALL our industry. We still need distribution centres in this part of the country, as well as trucking companies, food processing, and our automotive manufacturing isn't being outsourced in the forseeable future.

[Urbanomicon]

as well as trucking companies

There is a whole whack of logistics companies in Kitchener. I don't think Cambridge will see too many more without saturating the market. You guys do have Challenger Motorfreight after all.

[jay]

our automotive manufacturing isn't being outsourced in the forseeable future.

Unfortunately it is. My father was a part owner in a pretty big auto manufacture in Cambridge and from what I know, it is all going to be gone soon. They can buy a completed die from China/Korea cheaper then they can buy the steel to build it in North America to give you a idea.

It's only a matter of time.

[Urbanomicon]

Unfortunately it is. My father was a part owner in a pretty big auto manufacture in Cambridge and from what I know, it is all going to be gone soon. They can buy a completed die from China/Korea cheaper then they can buy the steel to build it in North America to give you a idea.

It's only a matter of time.

I used to work with a millright a little while back. He lost his previous job for the same reason. The auto industry is basically buying what amount to "disposable dies"; they aren't bothering to get them maintained anymore by local machine shops, it's cheaper to get a new one from China.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

Unfortunately it is. My father was a part owner in a pretty big auto manufacture in Cambridge and from what I know, it is all going to be gone soon. They can buy a completed die from China/Korea cheaper then they can buy the steel to build it in North America to give you a idea.

It's only a matter of time.

Well that's it I guess. Seems like we don't produce much of anything of added value in this country anymore. We mostly just extract it. Are RIM's Blackberries even manufactured here?

[taylortbb]

Are RIM's Blackberries even manufactured here?

RIM is apparently the one exception, they've got a significant amount of manufacturing here. Of course, they have a ton of manufacturing elsewhere too, but they do make production BlackBerrys in Waterloo.

I think manufacturing isn't completely dead, it's just shifting to more sophisticated manufacturing. Cristie builds their projecters here with a staff of University-educated people, similarily Com Dev builds satellites here.

[mpd618]

Do you guys know about the Waterloo Region Manufacturing Innovation Network (http://www.waterloomin.com/)?

[IEFBR14]

RIM is apparently the one exception, they've got a significant amount of manufacturing here. Of course, they have a ton of manufacturing elsewhere too, but they do make production BlackBerrys in Waterloo.
According to Rod McQueen's new book (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/books/review-blackberry-the-inside-story-of-research-in-motion-by-rod-mcqueen/article1490936/), they now only produce prototypes and do pilot production runs in Waterloo. Like everyone else, primary production is outside of Canada.

OTOH the amount of R&D that RIM does in Waterloo more than makes up for that. R&D is also a bit harder to ship overseas, especially if what you're doing is novel or proprietary.

[KLM]

RIM is apparently the one exception, they've got a significant amount of manufacturing here. Of course, they have a ton of manufacturing elsewhere too, but they do make production BlackBerrys in Waterloo.

I think manufacturing isn't completely dead, it's just shifting to more sophisticated manufacturing. Cristie builds their projecters here with a staff of University-educated people, similarily Com Dev builds satellites here.

I am pretty sure for Christie Digital for shop floor position you need at least 2 years college in Electronics or 3 years in Robotics and Automation program.For higher position- university ,but if you have university grads working on shop floor its a pure waste of education in my opinion.

Manufacturing is long gone in Canada ,especially in Ontario ,almost every company have plant somewhere in China.There are some expections but still you can feel the pinch.
ComDev is federally funded and thats what keeps them afloat.

[jay]

RIM does manufacture Blackberrys here and so do some other company's. The difference is that RIM and others pay way lower then what people used to make in the manufacturing sector.

My point is it's pretty much dead even if a few companies still do it. If you work on the shop floor of RIM your not middle class, like you would have been 5-10 years ago.

[KLM]

RIM does manufacture Blackberrys here and so do some other company's. The difference is that RIM and others pay way lower then what people used to make in the manufacturing sector.

My point is it's pretty much dead even if a few companies still do it. If you work on the shop floor of RIM your not middle class, like you would have been 5-10 years ago.

I agree. RIM pays to start on shop floor $11 which is pretty close to min.wage.

[taylortbb]

I am pretty sure for Christie Digital for shop floor position you need at least 2 years college in Electronics or 3 years in Robotics and Automation program.For higher position- university ,but if you have university grads working on shop floor its a pure waste of education in my opinion.

Manufacturing is long gone in Canada ,especially in Ontario ,almost every company have plant somewhere in China.There are some expections but still you can feel the pinch.
ComDev is federally funded and thats what keeps them afloat.

I'm pretty sure I heard that everyone assembling projectors has their bachelors, maybe it only applies to higher end models? Or they realized it wasn't a very good policy (I certainly thought it was odd).

I'm not disputing that manufacturing is mostly gone. It is and I'm not really sad to see it go. I was just pointing out that some high-tech manufacturing occurs here. As long as we lead in R&D though I think you'll see the latest high-tech manufacturing continue to be done here, but that's only a small amount of manufacturing.

[Spokes]

RIM does manufacture Blackberrys here and so do some other company's. The difference is that RIM and others pay way lower then what people used to make in the manufacturing sector.

My point is it's pretty much dead even if a few companies still do it. If you work on the shop floor of RIM your not middle class, like you would have been 5-10 years ago.

Which is going to be more of the trend we see moving forward. That's one of the reasons the industry was hit so hard, you'd have people working on the floor making 25+ an hour. I think we'll start to see things ballance out big time.

[cht13er]

Here's more or less what the current plan is: http://www.intermarketinc.com/images/ccc2.jpg ... the main issue right now is getting everyone on board with snaking through the Regional buildings (operations / police / ems) to connect to Maple Grove at Cherry Blossom.

The site will be very close to a proposed LRT stop, which is what will make the hotel a good idea (if it will eventually end up as one) (I think it's the yellow and/or purple on the plan). My opinion is that the proposed mix of retail and commercial is awesome!

[markster]

A bit unfortunate that there's a rail yard between the LRT and this development.
It seems destinted to become the most desolate station in the whole system.

[KevinL]

Looks like they're considering a connection to King at the east end as well. That should make for good flow through the site.

[mpd618]

It seems destinted to become the most desolate station in the whole system.

It will likely be a really busy transfer point. Buses to Hespeler and Conestoga College, to the really large amount of employment on Maple Grove, intercity buses off the 401, and park and ride.

[DHLawrence]

By the time this area gets LRT they won't need buses to Hespeler; the trains will just continue to Hespeler. It's more likely that the BusPlus routes will be curtailed to the two stops in the area (Fountain and Sportsworld) and that Sportsworld will be predominantly a Park and Ride.

[Galtonian]

Glad this is being proposed and it should get built. Cambridge office space has been on the decline as some corporate companies have left to go elsewhere (ex:Stantec's move from Downtown Cambridge/Galt to Kitchener). Once this does materialize, hopefully more office jobs return to the South of the Region as we need need them as much as the North.

[benjaminbach]

The site will be very close to a proposed LRT stop, which is what will make the hotel a good idea (if it will eventually end up as one)

Where is mention of this site as home to a possible hotel ? Thx

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

Glad this is being proposed and it should get built. Cambridge office space has been on the decline as some corporate companies have left to go elsewhere (ex:Stantec's move from Downtown Cambridge/Galt to Kitchener). Once this does materialize, hopefully more office jobs return to the South of the Region as we need need them as much as the North.

While I agree with you, I still don't like the location. I'd rather see this go somewhere that is accessible to higher-order transit. In our case, that would sadly mean BRT.
I'd prefer to see more office space in downtown Galt or along the Hespeler Road corridor, as opposed to Riverbend Drive.

I didn't even know Stantec used to be in Galt, but it is sad to see so much space remaining vacant in Cambridge. The 3 vacant floors in Cambridge Place are a grim reminder of this. I just don't get why that's the case. It's growing in population. There is obviously a white collar labour force living here, even if most of them are commuting to KW/Guelph/Mississauga.

[mikeyp]

I'm pretty sure I heard that everyone assembling projectors has their bachelors, maybe it only applies to higher end models?

Minimum requirement for working in production at Christie is a college diploma. The pay is decent for a manufacturing company where starting salary is around $20-$21/hour and it can go up to $25. They want the college education because they can tell customers that all their staff are intelligent highly trained individuals who are building their projectors. And when engineering job openings do open up in the offices they like to be able to hire skilled workers from within who now have intimate knowledge of how the projectors are built and how they actually work.

But I do find it unfortunate that you have college and university trained people doing factory work like packing, stores, and shipping/receiving. But that's probably more of a statement of the way this country is going right now more than anything.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6489/creeksidecorporatecampu.jpg

Waterlooian4Life, or anyone else who knows, where is this rendering from? I don't see it on Intermarket Group's website.

[cht13er]

Waterlooian4Life, or anyone else who knows, where is this rendering from? I don't see it on Intermarket Group's website.

I've never seen it before, but it is so unlike the area (can you identify the highway, Maple Grove, and King; Freeport Creek? I can't...) that I'm not sure it's even for this project!

Here's the latest schematic I've seen:
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[cht13er]

Where is mention of this site as home to a possible hotel ? Thx

There was talk of a hotel, retirement home, residential, etc etc .. it looks like it might end up as residential now.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

I've never seen it before, but it is so unlike the area (can you identify the highway, Maple Grove, and King; Freeport Creek? I can't...) that I'm not sure it's even for this project!

Here's the latest schematic I've seen:
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Yeah I can't recognize the configuration of the roads in that picture when compared to the picture above it. I'm wondering if it's a rendering for another project outside Waterloo Region (maybe Mississauga?).

[Spokes]

Yeah I can't recognize the configuration of the roads in that picture when compared to the picture above it. I'm wondering if it's a rendering for another project outside Waterloo Region (maybe Mississauga?).

Ok good, I thought maybe I was the only one, glad Im not.

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

I believe the above rendering is associated with this development in Mississauga, designed by RSA Architects.

http://www.rsarchitects.ca/projects/projects.asp?L1=corporate&L2=ccc&L3=

[Duke-of-Waterloo]

Here's the latest schematic I've seen:
http://www.wonderfulwaterloo.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=195&d=1290564954

Source? Please be sure to cite sources and provide a link wherever possible.

[Duke-of-Waterloo]

Waterlooian4Life, or anyone else who knows, where is this rendering from? I don't see it on Intermarket Group's website.

It's from here (Post #4 in this thread by RangersFan):


A picture of "Creekside Corporate Campus" found in this Tech Triangle document (http://www.techtriangle.com/include/get.php?nodeid=503)
http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac273/leaffan431/small%20developments/CreeksideCorporateCampus.jpg

[Urban_Enthusiast86]

^ I stand corrected.

[RangersFan]

Until more details are known I will place this acrticle here.


Office and shopping centre proposed near Regional police headquarters
April 15, 2011 | Record Staff | The Record | LINK (http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/517098--office-and-shopping-centre-proposed-near-regional-police-headquarters)
CAMBRIDGE — A 30-hectare shopping-office-hotel complex is proposed along the Cambridge city limits behind the Waterloo Regional Police headquarters.

Intermarket Cambridge wants to open up the landlocked property along Highway 8. Plans include extending Cherry Blossom Road west from Maple Grove Road into Kitchener, ending at King Street near the Grand River.

It will be a “high quality, prestige business park,” said Dan Currie, a planner hired by Intermarket.

He presented the concept to Cambridge councillors this week. Watching in the audience were two-dozen residents of Riverbank Drive, abutting the property to the north.

[benjaminbach]

This is the Creekside Corporate Campus proposed by Intermarket, who developed Sportsworld.

There is a thread here: http://www.wonderfulwaterloo.com/showthread.php?t=382&page=1

[RangersFan]

This is the Creekside Corporate Campus proposed by Intermarket, who developed Sportsworld.

There is a thread here: http://www.wonderfulwaterloo.com/showthread.php?t=382&page=1

Oh I thought this was something new didn't realize they were the same, thank you.